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The DJIA dropped 150 points today, closing just above the psychologically important 10,000 mark. A plunge below Dow 10,000 may be imminent.
At this time, people should start consider what precautions and measures can be taken in preparation for global nuclear war. Yes, I'm serious...
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Since early this year, an epic "Grand Supercycle" turning point in the stock market and world history appears to have gotten underway.
Now a reversal below the psychologically critical 10,000 mark on the Dow Jones Industrial Average appears to be imminent. This reversal may very well be associated with "Saddam's Revenge" and the outbreak of World War Three.
Importantly, the current situation in the U.S. stock market and world politics is a parallel of what occurred in 1973 and 1990. In the early part of 1973, the DJIA reached a peak several percent above the "Magic 1000" barrier in the DJIA. The Dow then reversed below 1000 into the Spring of that year. The market eventually rebounded and by October of 1973 the DJIA again was challenging the psychologically significant thousand mark when, seemingly out of the blue, world events came into play that drove the DJIA sharply down from Dow 1000. Syria led an Arab surprise attack against the Jewish state on Yom Kippur- the Day of Atonement - and then OPEC imposed an oil embargo on the West for supporting Israel in the conflict. The subsequent oil-shock brought about a 40 percent drop in stock prices by October of the 1974.
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Similar to 1973, when the Dow reversed from the 3000 mark in mid-July of 1990
(the index closed on July 16th and 17th at precisely 2999.75 and turned down),
it coincided with a speech in which Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein threatened Kuwait.
The stock market then fell five percent as Iraq started massing forces on its
southern neighbor, and then, on August 2nd, Iraq invaded Kuwait. Oil prices
once again surged and stock prices plunged 20 percent by October of that year.
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This time around the DJIA reached a closing high above Dow 11,000 during the first part of this year. The stock market then fell significantly bottoming at Dow 10,000 in the Spring. A rebound then took place into September since which the DJIA has dropped back to just above the psychologically critical 10,000 mark. Now violence between Arabs and Israelis is spiraling out of control in Israel as Iraq is starting to move military forces west and north from Baghdad in an threatening manner.
Unfortunately, the odds are that this time around, with a reversal below
Dow 10,000, we are likely to see a far more severe crisis in the Middle East
than anything that has occurred in history. As I have been warning for years,
what is coming is a Grand Supercycle crash in the form of "Saddam's Revenge".
Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the 1991 Gulf War were not what they seemed to be. Rather than being a great victory for the West, the Persian Gulf Crisis and War were part of a strategic deception carried-out by Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the Arab powers on the behalf of Moscow. The ultimate goal of this deception is likely what we are witnessing now. A situation in which seeming imperialist aggression by the U.S. and Western allies against Iraq leads to an all-out war in the Middle East that ultimately will result in the destruction of Israel and the Western powers- the long-term objective of Russia and the hardline Arab states.
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inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in thirty or forty years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The Western world will need to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There shall be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate to their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clenched fist." (Dmitrii Z. Manuilskii) (Lenin School of Political Warfare, Moscow, 1931) |
Particularly during the past decade, man has become utterly self-deceived. The seeming fall of world communism and collapse of the Soviet Union was a staged deception. Why do you think the nuclear-armed communist East, hellbent on destroying the West and taking over the world, would suddenly decide to convert to Western capitalism and give up its pursuit of world domination at our expense just as the "Window of Vulnerability" was opening up? Why would the Arab powers, wholly devoted to the destruction of the Jewish State and increasingly armed-to-the-teeth, suddenly do a total flip-flop and seek peace? I do not believe this is because man transformed into a peace-loving, reasonable creature over the past several years. To the contrary, it is because some men love war while other men love money; hence, the basis for mutually disadvantageous false agreements to bring about a third world war and global self-destruction. The military powers of the East, seeking war, have offered the West a false peace in order to instill a false sense of security and secure the element of surprise to launch a successful attack. The economic powers of the West, seeking money, have accepted this false peace out of desire for material security, economic prosperity and new markets to exploit. Thus, the forces of greed and fear have come together in the name of creating global harmony and peace when, in reality, they are leading the world toward utter disharmony and a self-destructive holocaust of mass destruction.
(comment by Saddam Hussein following the Gulf War)
The shape the coming war will take is revealed by the lies the West has been told. One of the most obvious parts of the East's deception involves Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Why do you think Saddam invaded Kuwait and picked a fight with the West just over ten years ago? At the time the West was looking for any excuse to curtail Iraq's growing military strength and pursuit of "The Bomb", since Western oil-interests and Israel's security were increasingly endangered.
Yet, this is precisely what Saddam provided to the West. By invading Kuwait and threatening Saudi Arabia, Iraq gave the West a perfect excuse to wage a major war that would counter Saddam's growing military strength and the threat he posed to Israel and the oil-rich Persian Gulf region.
Since everything apparently went so well with the Gulf War, i.e., Iraq was quickly and decisively defeated and the world's oil supply was resecured, the West never considered the possibility that an ulterior motive might have been behind Saddam's seemingly reckless invasion of Kuwait and world confrontation. Yet, an ulterior motive there likely was: to make Iraq a symbolic victim of Western imperialism and world "Zionism" in order give Saddam justification for triggering a jihad, or holy war, against Israel and the West.
http://nw3.nai.net/~virtual/sot/j06.html
With Iraq's violent defeat by the West in the Gulf War, continuing U.S.-enforced economic sanctions against Baghdad and covert U.S. efforts to oust Saddam Hussein from power, Saddam's Iraq increasingly appears to be a victim of relentless Western imperialism in the oil-rich Arab world. In other words, Saddam has provoked the West into taking actions against his country that fit his conspiratorial worldview of Western "Zionist" oppression of Iraq and other Arab countries. In this way, Saddam is creating an excuse to seek revenge against the U.S. and Western powers for the ongoing unfair treatment of Iraq and the Arab world in general.
Since, if my hypothesis is correct, "Saddam's Revenge" will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel and the West, the Iraqi dictator will end up looking like a great Arab hero who confronted the West, stomached tremendous imperialist oppression and eventually struck back such that his Zionist oppressors were ultimately destroyed. After the dust settles, Saddam can proclaim that Allah is on his side and force the Moslem world to submit to his "divine rule".
How is it that "Saddam's Revenge" will result in the destruction of Israel and the West? After all, as a military, economic and/or political power, Saddam's Iraq appears to be about as isolated and weak as could be. That, however, is the trick of it.
As Sun-Tzu explains in the "Art Of War", 'if strong, feign weakness'; 'if unified, project division'. Thus, Saddam's Iraq and Iraq's allies-of-old, i.e., the other Arab military powers along with the "former" and ongoing communist military powers of the East, have gone out of their way to project the image of division and weakness in the East. Yet, overall, Saddam and the authoritarian military powers of the East are still sitting on the largest military-machine ever known to man. The Beast simply is not dead, regardless of what the East wants us to make us believe and what the West wants to 'make believe'.
The question now is: In what way is Saddam going to seek revenge, and how will this be associated with the rise of Russia and the destruction of Israel and the West? I believe the answer has been revealed to me.
Back during the Gulf War, in February of 1991, I was engaged in a written correspondence with Robert Prechter, the "Elliott Wave Theorist", about what might eventually cause the Grand Supercycle crash and bear market we were both anticipating at the time.
One evening I was watching television when suddenly a special report aired of a chemical SCUD attack against Israel.
Surprised that Saddam had launched such a provocative attack, I contacted friends to let them know what happened. As I returned to the television to catch more news on the attack, I found nothing was being reported. When I awoke the next day, there was nothing in the newspapers. All said and done, I discovered that no such report had aired at the time I saw it.
Immediately after this odd experience, I mentioned to Mr. Prechter in a letter I was writing to him what I had seen. I speculated that I might had had a psychic vision of what would cause the Grand Supercycle collapse in the stock market we were expecting. Clearly an Iraqi chemical attack on Israel and a subsequent outbreak of some sort of new Arab/Israeli war would greatly upset investors' expectations and precipitate a large-scale decline in stock prices.
Right after sending this letter to Mr. Prechter, I had another experience that apparently revealed the full danger we were facing.
Upon reading a Bible prophecy to a friend that I believe depicts a future nuclear war (the Seventh Seal prophecy in the eighth chapter of the Book of Revelation), my friend and I heard an air-raid siren followed by the bellowed percussion of a nuclear explosion.
Coming so soon after my vision of a special report of a chemical SCUD attack on Israel, I concluded there must be a connection- the Grand Supercycle crash would involve an all-out war in the Middle East that would be followed by an all- out global war involving a nuclear holocaust.
From that moment on, my search began for what would lead to a Grand Supercycle crash in Western expectations via a nuclear third world war.
Thus, I discovered how the world has been utterly deceived by Saddam Hussein and the authoritarian military powers of the East. Western expectations are being intentionally misled to irrational heights in order to open the way for an ultimate upset in the form of a surprise third world war.
How exactly is it that an Iraqi chemical attack against Israel will be associated with an eventual global nuclear war? Well, I believe I later discovered the answer to that question with the "Zhirinovsky Connection".
Vladimir Zhirinovsky and other Russian nationalists (e.g., Alexander Lebed) are supposedly Saddam Hussein's ally.
In February of 1995, Zhirinovsky went to Baghdad and met with Saddam Hussein on February 26th, the fourth anniversary of Kuwait's liberation from Iraqi occupation and the second anniversary of the World Trade Center bombing which has been linked to Iraq. During a three- hour conversation they discussed a proposal by Zhirinovsky to create an anti-Western coalition between Russia, the Orthodox and Muslim world. Zhirinovsky told journalists after the meeting: "There is no confrontation between the North: Russia, and the South: the Arab and Muslim world". Zhirinovsky concluded his three-day visit to Baghdad by signing a draft accord to boost ties between Russia and Iraq.
The odds are that this suspicious connection between Saddam Hussein and Vladimir Zhirinovsky is signaling the upcoming events that will upset Wall Street's expectations and precipitate the Grand Supercycle crash. More specifically, there is reason to believe a new military confrontation between Iraq and the West is imminent that will seemingly bring about a military coup in Russia and the rise to power of a right-wing dictator, possibly Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
It appears that Saddam is about to provoke a new military confrontation with the U.S., supposedly in response to the unremitting pressure being placed on Iraq and the increasing violence between Arabs and Jews in Israel. Because Iraq has consistently thwarted U.N. efforts to Iraqi production of weapons of mass destruction, economic sanctions against Iraq are not going to be lifted for the foreseeable future. In response, Saddam is apparently about to stop abiding by the ceasefire agreement that ended the Gulf War in 1991 and enter an all-out war with the U.S. and its military allies.
One way or another, one should expect a new confrontation between Saddam and the West at the current juncture. This confrontation might involve an Iraqi military assault against U.N.-protected areas in northern and southern Iraq. Such a provocation will, in turn, provoke a new fight between Iraq and the Western powers (in particularly, the U.S. and Britain).
-Saddam Hussein
(From a speech he gave on the fourth anniversary of the
start of the Gulf
War.)
Once the U.S. is bombing Iraq again, Saddam will have an excuse to seek revenge for the seemingly unending Western repression of, and military assaults against, his country. I believe this revenge will somehow involve what I've already foreseen: a chemical SCUD missile attack against Israel. That Saddam is planning such an attack, or is at least expecting to be involved with such an attack by another Arab power like Syria, explains why he threatened to "make fire eat up half of Israel" several months before ordering Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Furthermore, in a speech made on the anniversary of the start of the Gulf War two years ago, Saddam proclaimed: "The Arab countries should be asking themselves, 'Who will fire the 40th missile against Israel?'". Given that Iraq launched 39 SCUD missiles at Israel during the Gulf War, this clearly implies Baghdad is anticipating a new SCUD attack against the Jewish homeland.
Clearly, if Saddam's Iraq (and/or Syria) unleashes a chemical SCUD attack against Israel in connection with a new Middle East crisis, an action that will revive memories of Hitler's gassing of the Jews, all-out war will likely erupt in the Middle East. The U.S. will most likely seek to finally get rid of Saddam's Hussein for destabilizing the oil-rich region.
With the U.S. at war again with Iraq (possibly at the same time that NATO is drawn into a war against the Serbs), a pretext will be created for Vladimir Zhirinovsky or some other right-wing dictator to suddenly rise to power in Russia by way of a military coup. (Although Putin is sufficiently nationalist in character to openly carry out what Russia intends to do). Western military action against historical Russian allies like Iraq and the Serbs will seemingly stir a nationalist backlash in Moscow that brings about such a coup.
With a nationalist dictator in the Kremlin and the U.S. and/or Israel at war with Iraq and possibly other Arab powers, the way will be opened for Russia's "Last Dash to the South" (the title of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's supposed autobiography); a Russian military campaign to dominate an arc of territory to Russia's south stretching from the Balkans to East Asia. A major objective of this campaign is to overrun the Middle/Near East and thereby rest control of the world's oil supply.
Russia's last dash to the south will probably be associated with some sort of new Arab/Israeli war. I believe such a war is planned in order to provoke the "Samson Option", Israel's policy of nuclear retaliation against the Arab powers and Russia should Israel be hopelessly overrun. Israel's use of nuclear weapons, in turn, will create an ideal pretext for an all-out Russian nuclear attack against the West which, after the dust settles, Moscow will argue the West brought upon itself.
Clearly, if Saddam's revenge takes the shape I expect and leads to the nuclear destruction of Israel and the West, then Wall Street's current high expectations, reflected in the DJIA trading above 10,000, will be utterly upset. This upset of prevailing, misled expectations is effectively an ultimate crash, i.e., a Grand Supercycle crash.
Saddam's revenge and a future nuclear war will, however, fulfill religious expectations as embodied in Biblical prophecy. As I explain in my article "The Truth", a global nuclear war is consistent with the Seventh Seal prophecy from the eighth chapter in the Bible's Book of Revelation. As explained above, about a week after I saw that mysterious special report of a chemical SCUD attack on Israel in February of 1991, a friend and I heard an air-raid siren and nuclear explosion upon reading the Seventh Seal prophecy aloud. Thus, in my mind there is little doubt that religious prophecy has everything to do with a future nuclear war.
As apocalyptic tradition holds, after the Seventh Seal is broken, the truth behind Christianity is revealed. The question thus arises as to how a nuclear war entails the revelation of truth. I think I might have an answer. As explained above, my potentially supernatural experiences in February of 1991 led me to critically reexamine events in the Persian Gulf up to that time. Based upon this examination, I figured out how Iraq, Moscow and the military powers of the East have been creating an historically unprecedented, global-scale deception in order to launch a nuclear surprise attack against the West. The explanatory theory and supporting evidence behind this view is what the majority of my articles are about. Thus, one way the truth is, in effect, revealed by a future nuclear war is by corroborating the idea that the whole world has been utterly deceived by Baghdad, Moscow and the powers of the East. In other words, upon the surprise attack, prevailing expectations will be utterly upset because everyone believed a total lie. Therefore, at least in a relative sense, the truth is revealed.
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1 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:17:39 PDT by Spirit Of Truth (spiritoftruth@mail.com)
If you are so smart, how come you are not rich ??? Where will all the boomers, etc. put their money?? In the backyard?? In a savings account?? Have a beer!
2 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:24:24 PDT by BobFromNJ (rdono888@blast.net)
Are you sure your vanity postings are breaking news?
Do you know how many worthless copies of Hal Lindsey's "bible prophecy" are thrown in garbage cans every year?
3 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:32:14 PDT by Ichabod Walrus
I use the Stock Market Crash Index to get me in and out of the market. It signaled for me to get out in mid-September and are still waiting for a buy/re-entry signal. Pretty amazing! Take a look for yourself! http://www.wwfn.com/crashupdate.html
4 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:33:06 PDT by clippedwings (clipper@imfnet.com)
I'm not sure, but I imagine this will only happen once, so it may be a priority.
5 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:34:11 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
Interesting ... I have studied Bible Prophecy for 18 years
... and while I think they we may **possibly** and I emphasize POSSIBLY be
seeing some things that would make me think we're close to the Ezekiel 38 war,
known as the **failed** Russian / Iranian / Libyan / Ethiopian / Sudanese
invasion of Israel, tying prophecy to the DOW or hemlines on skirts or the
groundhog in Punxsatawney does not seem to be proper correlation ...
now
if the DOW dropped to 10% of current value, it would be indicative of world-wide
depression, and would seem to portend World War much like the 1929 crash
essentially foretold World War II some 10 years later ... only because extremely
hard financial times usually result in some sort of war ...
6 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:35:11 PDT by Bobby777
This is a fairly reliable indicator.
7 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:36:24 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
I thought we did this thread a couple of days ago.
If
I remember correctly the first reply suggested that the poster was a FRUITCAKE.
8 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:39:11 PDT by Freeper 007
IBM, in after hours trading, from 113, is now down to 99 5/8. Oil is up $0.78. Tomorrow might not be a pretty day.
9 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:39:11 PDT by Tasha
OOooooo....
You're logic is so incisive and intimidating!
I faced worse debates in pre-school.
10 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:42:12 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
Hal Lindsay is one of those blind leaders referred to in the scripture. His prophecies are so far off, I would be extremely careful with what he has to say. Get into the Word of God yourself, and let Him show you the truth.
11 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:50:41 PDT by shield
I thought it interesting that the Central banks of Europe Japan and the U.S. Helped keep the Euro from collapsing around Sept 23rd.
The other day after Saddam talked of pricing his oil in Euro dollars. Those same Central Banks allowed the Euro to plummet. Troubles ahead. Can the Saudis Guarrantee 28 dollar oil. Hell no.
12 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:52:03 PDT by A+Bert
WOW ... that IS significant ... IBM hasn't been that low since about early December last year ... of course, they hit their profit but missed their revenue ... in the 'fraidy cat market now, people react really badly to news like that ... if nothing materializes they might be back up to 108 by Friday ... Fridays are usually up days ... barring any other bizarre news ... the peace in Israel will probably last about 2 seconds ... I don't think it's slowed down to where anyone would declare "peace" right now ...
13 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:52:32 PDT by Bobby777
Interesting ... I have studied Bible Prophecy for 18 years ... and while I think they we may **possibly** and I emphasize POSSIBLY be seeing some things that would make me think we're close to the Ezekiel 38 war, known as the **failed** Russian / Iranian / Libyan / Ethiopian / Sudanese invasion of Israel, tying prophecy to the DOW or hemlines on skirts or the groundhog in Punxsatawney does not seem to be proper correlation ...
now if the DOW dropped to 10% of current value, it would be indicative of world-wide depression, and would seem to portend World War much like the 1929 crash essentially foretold World War II some 10 years later ... only because extremely hard financial times usually result in some sort of war ...
You almost sound like Bob Prechter. You are wrong, though, in thinking there is not a connection between general stock market movements and prophecy. Biblical prophecy are Christian "rational expectations" about the future of mankind. The stock market, and DJIA in particularly, is a barometer of mankind's current future expectations at any given moment. The Grand Supercycle crash I'm expecting now is an ultimate upset of man's current expectations but is the fulfillment of Christian expectations. Upset expectations, after all, are what such market crashes are all about.
14 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:52:51 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
Did you post this a couple of days ago????
Did you
decide to try again later after seeing the way your thread started?
15 Posted on 10/17/2000 17:57:15 PDT by Freeper 007
Well, his reasons for a market crash are different than mine, but I agree with his conclusion. We have basically seen an 18 year bull market going on, with the huge amount of money pumped into the economy going to stocks. I believe that high oil prices combined with Mideast instability are going to burst the bubble.
16 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:01:35 PDT by Free Vulcan
Amen to that...
17 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:01:55 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
I am amazed that one person thinks they have the only lifeline to God>>I think taking up two or three pages of that PROPHECY-LIKE WAITING FOR THE SPACESHIP OR SOMETHING IS SPOOKY. I am a Holy Ghost person, and I think you are over the edge; and God is still in control...He said occupy til I come..WATCH AND WAIT!! We pray, and we discuss, but jumping on everyone with these DOOMSDAY Prophecies is out-of-order. Prayer changes things!
18 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:04:50 PDT by Kackikat
hey, tasha, i was busy buying out of the money dec crude calls this morning on the idea that yesterday might have been the end of the second 5 buck downdraft in a wave 4 correction
who knows, things get a little crazy, and 40 bucks may look cheap temporarily
may all your trades be profitable
19 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:06:55 PDT by AntiScumbag
OK
20 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:07:52 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
You're too late. I already lost everything in the stock market.
21 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:07:59 PDT by josiban
Oil hit its average on daily charts, at 32.99. It seems like it's bouncing back. That would indicate that the peace talks totally failed. That worries me a little. I really pray for peace in the Middle East, and I hope that can be achieved under non-Clinton leadership. I do not believe in Doomsday theories, but when the CPI comes out tomorrow, and most likely it will show inflation raising, the markets will get very volatile, and we will break 10,000. I don't know if we will close under it. But Wall Street below 10,000 really doesn't sound good.
22 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:16:49 PDT by Tasha
The implications in terms of mass psychology and mass mood of a reversal below 10,000 is not understood by just about everyone nowadays. World events are a function of mass affect rather than vice versa, so a reversal below Dow 10,000 implies major negative world events, i.e. real bad news...
23 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:20:58 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
I have to go, I have some work to do, but let me say that I am willing to lose the money that I have on Wall Street if only long-lasting peace will happen in the Middle East. I still have some hope that the Palestinains and Israelis stop fighting and start talking peace.
24 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:29:46 PDT by Tasha
Upset expectations, after all, are what such market crashes are all about.
You are saying the market will crash when a world nuclear war occurs? It's rather obvious isn't it? You know the NASDAQ is down some 35% from it's highs last year and the DOW isn't doing much better without a war.
25 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:31:25 PDT by Life of Brian
I appreciate you may be sincere ... but I don't think the
correlation can be tied to a 10,000 mark ... overall world economy is often the
precursor ... now in the early 1970's, when the Yom Kippur war occurred, it had
nothing to do with the stock market, but rather was reflective of frustration
after the 1967 Six-Day war ... and that they had time to prepare again ...
the Arabs take a shot at the Israelis on average about every 8-10 years
... 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 1991 ... and lo and behold it's 2000 ...
Bobby - Tribulation.Com
26 Posted on 10/17/2000 18:35:54 PDT by Bobby777
And let's pray a reversal below Dow 10,000 does not entail World War Three or war in the Middle East or anything of the like. However, the historical pattern is clear.
27 Posted on 10/17/2000 19:05:07 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
I want to thank you for the link to TRIBULATION.COM, as that is one of the most informative links for end times that I have seen. It has great music, and details things from the Bible in a way ANYONE can understand. When I said SPIRIT OF TRUTH was over the edge--(I apologize if I offended that person)this is what I meant. We need to direct people to the destinations that have been designed to explain things SCRIPTURALLY. I am sure SPIRIT OF TRUTH is sincere and may have a lot of things right, its the defensive way in which they are being explained that does not lend itself to the anointing. Anyhow THANKS FOR THAT LINK....COULD YOU POST IT AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT GET IT.
28 Posted on 10/18/2000 05:30:09 PDT by Kackikat
Hal Lindsay is one of those blind leaders referred to in the scripture. His prophecies are so far off, I would be extremely careful with what he has to say. Get into the Word of God yourself, and let Him show you the truth.
Nice try. Sort of like saying the crusades weren't made up of "real" Christian.
I was a fundamentalist Christian in 1985. I remember the panic. I remember all the credibility given to the likes of Linday and other prophets of doom.
The crusades may be explained away since it was a very long time ago. But the Linday's of the world were only fifteen years ago so you're not going to be able to dismiss them as easily.
Work hard. And let God take care of the results. Too many people are interested in what God has planned rather than just living their life and letting things be what they may.
29 Posted on 10/18/2000 08:11:40 PDT by VoodooEconomist
Our Heavenly Father does have everything under his control. And we as a nation are exactly where we are suppose to be. It will the might of The Mighty One, who will save us out of the mess here on earth. And we will be saved here on earth...not flying up into the bye and bye...
30 Posted on 10/18/2000 14:16:45 PDT by shield
"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
-- Deuteronomy 18: 20-22
At the very least, given your track record, we're to give you no respect.
31 Posted on 10/18/2000 14:38:35 PDT by Risky Schemer
HERE WE
GO...
DOW 10,000 BREACHED TODAY, 8/30/01...
32 Posted on 08/30/2001 21:08:41 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
I don't know whether you're a quack or what but some of what you say makes sense. On the other hand, you've got so many irons in the fire that you might be practicing 'statistical prophecy.'
In any event, the break below 10000 was bad enough; coupled with the horrible attacks, it's devastating.
Can't say I'm convinced that man is dominated by Fibonacci numbers, though. The way I read scripture, man is assigned dominion over nature. Also, the only thing that can undo our resolve is a contrary resolve of the Almighty. May His will be done.
33 Posted on 09/12/2001 20:32:07 PDT by cdwright
God has dominion over nature. Man is a part of nature. Indeed, let His will be done, because man's will ultimately will lead us into self-destruction. God can save us if man seeks to do God's will in opposition to man's own.
That's my take on the meaning of the Scriptures at least...
34 Posted on 09/15/2001 03:54:33 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
Bttt
35 Posted on 09/18/2001 10:00:05 PDT by Carbon
You seem to confuse correlation with causation.
36 Posted on 10/21/2001 20:10:37 PDT by Rodney King
37 Posted on 10/22/2001 18:00:35 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
38 Posted on 10/22/2001 18:05:32 PDT by Mr.E
39 Posted on 10/22/2001 20:08:52 PDT by Rodney King
40 Posted on 10/23/2001 17:00:47 PDT by Spirit Of Truth
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