Proposal for additional FR capabilities

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Proposal for additional FR capabilities

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Source: Cubicle Guy
Published: December 18, 2001 Author: Cubicle Guy
Posted on 12/18/01 2:08 PM Pacific by CubicleGuy

In light of recent events in Sacramento, it has become evident to me that popular sentiment requires the addition of new capabilities for all those who choose to participate here.

On Saturday, an employee of the Sacramento Bee (a "liberal" newspaper) was invited to speak during the commencement program for the graduating students at California State University in Sacramento. Before she was able to complete her speech, the crowd in attendance shouted her down, perceiving her message as a liberal whine about the way the Bush administration has chosen to conduct the war on terrorism. A review of the entire contents of the speech reveals that the true main message of the text was a call to the students, as the future leaders and citizens of the United States, to protect the rights enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, particularly the right to a free press, in order that government corruption and the restrictions on rights might not go unreported to the American people.

It would seem that the majority of those participating in the discussion of this event stand behind the rights of the students to respond to the speaker by shouting her down. In other words, censorship is seen to be a valuable tool in protecting the rights of U.S. citizens to not be offended or be made uncomfortable by what someone else may have to say, whether the perception of what is being said is correct or not.

Given the evident public sentiment, I propose that FreeRepublic.com should adapt to the demands of an ever-increasingly informed citizenry by doing the following:

Any and all capabilities at FreeRepublic that can or are granted to a minority of individuals should be revoked. The ability to remove individual posts from any given thread, for example, at the present time is granted to a few, select (should I say "elite"?) individuals. This is clearly establishes a duality of class here and, in light of the demands of those who feel that democracy ("mob rule") should hold sway, is clearly out of line with this thinking. Why should an elite few be able to decide what the rest of us should be permitted to read here? This is obviously un-democratic.
The ability to remove any and all comments appended to threads by any participant at this site should be immediately granted to all who participate here, posters and lurkers alike. Since the ability to shout down others is evidently seen as a necessary ~~evil~~ good in the pursuit of democracy, why should FreeRepublic.com be any different?
Since the very existence of a free press has been called into doubt (we all know that every media outlet in existence is just a manifestation of a single liberal medium, don't we?), the ability to delete entire threads should also be granted to every participant, posters and lurkers alike. Any story posted here which might betray any kind of leftist slant that could end up causing offense should be elegible for immediate removal. Anything from the liberal media is suspect, you know?
A list of acceptable (non-liberal) media sources (if there is such a thing!) should be maintained. Of course, any and all who participate here should be able to add to and delete from the list at any time. This, too, is just in keeping with the invaluable principles of democracy. This should help new participants in determining when an article they find interesting and worthy of discussion may or may not be more likely to be subject to the desires of others to delete the article.

By adopting these new measures, and by the free distribution of these capabilities to all who participate here, surely this will eliminate the possibility of giving offense to anyone who might otherwise misunderstand a communication by their fellow travelers, and will (in the view of many) promote the cause of freedom, liberty and justice for all, and make FreeRepublic a much more influential voice and force for good in the United States of America, and, indeed, the world.

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What do you say, JimRob? Surely, you can see the obvious value in this suggestion. It's what the informed majority evidently need and want.

I must say that I'm excited and looking forward to the future version of FreeRepublic, which will be a vast improvement over the current limitations imposed (benevolently, of course!) by you, our beloved moderator.

1 posted on 12/18/01 2:08 PM Pacific by CubicleGuy
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To: CubicleGuy

FR is not a democracy, any more than your house is a democracy.

JimRob owns it, and sets the rules.

Your lame attempt at an analogy falls flat.

2 posted on 12/18/01 2:14 PM Pacific by sinkspur
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To: CubicleGuy

Ho Hum. Nobody cares about your whining rant.

3 posted on 12/18/01 2:14 PM Pacific by Rodney King
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To: CubicleGuy

Are you STILL here?

4 posted on 12/18/01 2:17 PM Pacific by tet68
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To: CubicleGuy

Hmmmmm.Things slow up in Harlem?

5 posted on 12/18/01 2:18 PM Pacific by tet68
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To: CubicleGuy

One small aside, I think she was much higher up the food chain than "an employee" of the Bee.

Good luck to ya. We seem to be caught in a cyclical argument. liberals are bad when they shout conservatives down, so we should shout them down in return. I read the other threads and it seems we easilly justify acting like lioberals.

6 posted on 12/18/01 2:18 PM Pacific by breakem
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To: lazamataz

Hey, it's your website. Straighten this guy out, will ya'?

7 posted on 12/18/01 2:18 PM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: CubicleGuy

Dude, this would have been a wise use of FReepmail.

8 posted on 12/18/01 2:19 PM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: CubicleGuy

Why should an elite few be able to decide what the rest of us should be permitted to read here? This is obviously un-democratic.

We don't live in a democracy, but a republic. And this site is called Free REPUBLIC

9 posted on 12/18/01 2:21 PM Pacific by Darth Dan
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To: CubicleGuy

You're right. She had every right to tell the graduates that the Osama tape was probably a government fake, and they should have politely applauded her.

GET REAL.

10 posted on 12/18/01 2:24 PM Pacific by Dog Gone
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To: CubicleGuy

There are many reasons why one might celebrate the comeuppance of a righteous controlling twit.
Sermonizing as a means to intimidate has a time and place. This sad excuse for a business person chose the wrong time and place, And incidentally...

You are one pompous ass.

11 posted on 12/18/01 2:25 PM Pacific by Publius6961
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To: CubicleGuy

I don't know what you're on, but could you pass it around?

12 posted on 12/18/01 2:25 PM Pacific by TomServo
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To: CubicleGuy

Too snippy for a guy rant. JMO.

13 posted on 12/18/01 2:25 PM Pacific by Stentor
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To: CubicleGuy

the ability to delete entire threads should also be granted to every participant, posters and lurkers alike.

Hmm. Too bad I can't try it out.

14 posted on 12/18/01 2:27 PM Pacific by Dan Nunn
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To: CubicleGuy

You all wrap yourselves in the American flag and claim to be fighting for freedom and the U.S. constitution.

I think a lot of you may not be very sincere, and I think some of you are probably outright hypocrites.

hypocrite n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold.

The First Amendment states the following:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

This response is being posted by Spirit Of Truth. I was banned from the forum last week and had three years of writings removed without warning, without explanation and with no way of redressing the situation.

I'm guessing that the reason I was booted from Free Republic is because I was too "loud" about the articles I've been posting and have on my homepage concerning what I believe is Saddam's Revenge that is unfolding in the context of a reversal from Dow 10,000 in the stock market. As I see it, our Republic has fallen from God's grace and we are being misled into our own destruction. The upset of America's misled expectations, in the form of a surprise world war, is what is going to precipitate a "Grand Supercycle crash" predicted by long wave patterns in history (follow that link to the last article I posted on FR after which I was booted).

While I apologize if I was too aggressive in bringing attention to my posts and my concerns for our Republic, I don't believe complete removal from this forum was in order. If I had simply received some sort of warning I would have been happy to curb my postings as requested.

Of course, the problem was more with the content of my views than with how I presented them. Many here don't buy into to my arguments and would prefer not to read them. Of course, they don't have to if they don't want to. Apparently, the moderators of this Forum and JimRob have decided that no one is to read what I'm warning you all about in this forum regardless of what you may think.

The following message was emailed via the forum's email system to various Freepers. My account was subsequently completely shut down so I could not even email other members.

When I created a new user ID ("Free Republic or not") and posted a similar message to the one below directed to JimRob in a recent post of his concerning freedom of speech and the Bill Of Rights, my response was deleted and the new account shutdown.

I have been booted from the Free Republic forum. Three years of my postings have been removed.

What's left of my work is available at my personal web site:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/

My last posts which apparently got me in trouble are at:

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/unfreerepublic.htm

BTW, this email can be sent because the one thing I can still do is reply to emails....but that is it. I can't even send new emails in the forum.

In the "Who We Are" section of Free Republic, Jim Robinson writes:

It is not necessary for everyone to hold the same views to be members of Free Republic, however, many of us do share many of the following as common beliefs and goals:

* The preservation and complete restoration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights with special emphasis on the first, second, fourth, fifth, sixth, ninth and tenth amendments and, of course, our right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness -- free of government intervention.

The First Amendment states the following:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

One of the key elements of the first amendment is that the government will not abridge freedom of speech.

Mr. Robinson, or at least some individuals working on his behalf, don't seem to be serious about this and, in fact, are being hypocritical as of late.

I was banned from the forum, had THREE YEARS of writings removed, and all this without warning and without explanation! Furthermore, there is no redress with the forum's 'governance' available for my greivance of having my freedom of speech wiped out. They just shut you down and that's it....there's nothing you can do.

How is this consistent with preserving freedom of speech?

How is this consistent with an organization that purportedly believes in the accountability of those who govern?

I've been a Freeper with a different point of view than many....so what? I'm not a disruptor and I present my views in all honesty as I believe them to be true. My posts are not designed for and are not meant to intrude upon or cause difficulties for others. I've simply been seeking to enlighten some in the forum of my views and concerns, particularly with regard to the threat of an approaching Arab/Russian all-out war against Israel and America as I believe is forewarned about in Biblical Prophecy. What's more, I think I can state that, while some of my posts were relatively unpopular, a good bit more were highly informative and most welcomed by a large number of Freepers. In other words, I've been an active and valuable contributor to the Free Republic forum most of the time, although sometimes I may have pushed the envelope....but so what?!

If anyone was not interested in my posts, they could ignore them. If they wanted to debate my ideas, I'd engage them in lively discussion. If someone wanted to be removed from my ping list, I'd immediately remove them. If a moderator had a problem with a post or a topic choice, I'd do whatever they asked and/or abide by their alterations.

I don't see where I was so out of line that the "powers that be" in this forum would wholly remove three years of my work from Free Republic and ban me from further posting without warning, without explanation and without redress.

Now you and others have to sit there and wonder whether or not defending me, or other "outcasts" like myself, will get you booted from the forum. You have to tip toe about what items you choose to post, what Freepers you choose to ping and what topics you choose to post in. You have to fear that the governing elite at Free Republic will just switch you off, send you to the cyber gulag for not touting the party line!

Is this freedom or this dictatorship?

Is Free Republic what it claims to be or is this forum becoming some sort of hypocritical lie?

While there are rules and guidelines that should be established and judiciously enforced for the site to run smoothly, the Free Republic forum should clearly seek to operate in manner similar to a representative democracy rather than operating like something akin to a totalitarian state.

It is true that the Free Republic forum was started by Jim Robinson and his associates and they have the legal right to run it as they wish. However, it strikes me that this simple political forum has evolved into something greater than the originators intended, much like the American Republic.

I believe the Free Republic forum truly belongs to the Freepers that comprise it and give it a life unto itself. Accordingly, Freepers should have more of a say in how the forum is run and should have rights accorded to them such that no governing elite can simply censor them, completely remove and ban them from the forum, without warning, explanation and redress...

15 posted on 12/18/01 2:27 PM Pacific by fightforfreedom
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To: CubicleGuy

I, for one, appreciated your ironic post. Perhaps you need to put one of those </irony> thingies at the end for the many literalists attending today.

16 posted on 12/18/01 2:28 PM Pacific by AZLiberty
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To: CubicleGuy

Start your own board.

17 posted on 12/18/01 2:28 PM Pacific by Dan from Michigan
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

This ain't my website. It Jim Robinson's website.

I just visit.

18 posted on 12/18/01 2:28 PM Pacific by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

I was referring to your FR Fundraiser thread last summer...something about how you would run the website... :)

19 posted on 12/18/01 2:31 PM Pacific by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: CubicleGuy

You don't like it 'round here? Get lost. You like the lady from the Bee? Don't read it much, do ya? I did for years. I've also been around here for years. Your mewling is pitiful.

20 posted on 12/18/01 2:32 PM Pacific by RightOnline
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To: CubicleGuy

Midol.

Works wonders for those days when you have cramps.

Listen, I'm the first one that jumped down the Moderators s**t when I felt they were too heavyhanded. But they make a good point: There will be people who bitch no matter what. If they police too much, they will be bitched at. If they police too little, then you have the "Britanny Spears/Severed Penis/What's Your Favorite Music CD" threads dominating the board.

I told them that, when you are bitched at equally by the Puritans and the Libertines, then you know you are at balance.

21 posted on 12/18/01 2:33 PM Pacific by Lazamataz
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I was referring to your FR Fundraiser thread last summer...something about how you would run the website... :)

I'd run it into the ground. ;^)

Nah -- on second thought, I'd hire JimRob, then things would run okay. ;^)

22 posted on 12/18/01 2:34 PM Pacific by Lazamataz
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To: CubicleGuy

Your agruments are based on a false premise.

Yes, you have a right to free speech. However, FR is a private endeavor (like many web/internet forums) and as such, does not have to be the forum for you to express your free speech rights. It just happens that FR (like many web/internet forums) allows people to post.

Being a private endeavor gives FR the right to censor. If you feel that infringes on your free speech rights, you have the right to establish your own web forum from which you may speak.

Posting in forums, such as FR are privileges, not rights. FR does have the right to restrict your (or anyone else's) postings here--because FR is a private endeavour. That does not restrict your free speech--it only restricts it in this forum--which FR has a right to do.

23 posted on 12/18/01 2:35 PM Pacific by TomGuy
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To: fightforfreedom

fightforfreedom - member since - December 18th, 2001

Duration at FR: 0 days.

24 posted on 12/18/01 2:37 PM Pacific by VRWCmember
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To: CubicleGuy

i love FR just the way it is (to paraphrase the billy joel tune). why fix something if it isn't broken?

25 posted on 12/18/01 2:37 PM Pacific by contessa machiaveli
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To: CubicleGuy

If I was invited to give a commencement speech at a historically black college, and started droning on about the benefits of Apartheid, and they shouted me down, would you consider it a dark day for democracy? What if I was invited to Brandeis and started screaming "Heil Hitler" into the microphone?

This lady was invited to CSU Sacramento to give a commencement speech. She basically said all of the students who supported the president were too ignorant to see what was going on in America, and that they were all lazy fascists who didn't care if their rights were stripped away. She accused them of being racists for supporting racial profiling. The students didn't like this, so they booed her. Get over it.

It's not like they shouted her down when she was at a political rally. They didn't steal copies of her newspaper and burn them. They didn't threaten to physically attack her.

26 posted on 12/18/01 2:38 PM Pacific by xm177e2
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To: Lazamataz

Britney Spears did NOT sever my penis. I swear.

27 posted on 12/18/01 2:39 PM Pacific by one_particular_harbour
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To: Lazamataz

Britney Spears did NOT sever my penis. I swear.

28 posted on 12/18/01 2:39 PM Pacific by one_particular_harbour
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To: contessa machiaveli

why fix something if it isn't broken?

I did that with my keyboard last week--cleaned it.

I don't like this new keyboard.

29 posted on 12/18/01 2:40 PM Pacific by TomGuy
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To: CubicleGuy

If your post was an attempt at humor by parodying liberal whiners, you came across a little too genuine. If however, you were serious, then you really are a strange and sad little man.

30 posted on 12/18/01 2:41 PM Pacific by VRWCmember
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To: AZLiberty

I, for one, appreciated your ironic post. Perhaps you need to put one of those thingies at the end for the many literalists attending today.

Right, AZ.

The post was obviously an irony along the lines of Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal. But most of the people who replied just didn't get it.

What does this say about the average IQ around here?

31 posted on 12/18/01 2:42 PM Pacific by codeword
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To: one_particular_harbour

How long do you think 'fightforfreedom' (post #15) will last?

32 posted on 12/18/01 2:43 PM Pacific by VRWCmember
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To: breakem

I read the other threads and it seems we easilly justify acting like lioberals.

That is because,while we might not like it,we extend civil liberties to liberals(Who rant and shout conservatives down.)They however,(as evidenced by CG)do not feel they have to extend those same liberties to us.

33 posted on 12/18/01 2:44 PM Pacific by tet68
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To: CubicleGuy

What in the world are you talking about?

34 posted on 12/18/01 2:44 PM Pacific by Saundra Duffy
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I want Moose and Cheese emoticons.

35 posted on 12/18/01 2:45 PM Pacific by IowaHawk
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To: CubicleGuy

Where in the 1st Amendment (or The Constitution, for that matter) does it say that we have the right to polite free speech, all other speech banned?

36 posted on 12/18/01 2:45 PM Pacific by randog
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To: CubicleGuy

I would like the ability to ignore what is said by certain posters. Kind of like a personal black list button. It would only apply to what I see when visiting FR not what anyone else can see.

For example, I no longer have any interest in reading any of the posts of the people that condoned or cheered at the burning of St. John The Divine Cathedral. For example, Kevin Curry and many others. Some posters even lamented that certain priests that they hated didn't get scorched. There are some real nutters that post here.

Recently there have been a lot of people that seem barely literate. I don't want to have to wade through all that gibberish to find interesting replies. It's gotten to the point where I'll often just read the recent articles one after another without even looking at a single reply, simply because I don't feel like reading 100 insipid posts to find 5 interesting ones.

A personal black list button would be great.

37 posted on 12/18/01 2:45 PM Pacific by wooly_mammoth
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To: breakem

I have heard people on radio shows who were there stated many times it had nothing to do with her being a liberal and more to the fact that they felt like she was spoiling their day. It was supposted to be about their lives and what they accomplished at college. All of those who have called both the liberal and conservative radio shows that I have listened to stated that.

38 posted on 12/18/01 2:46 PM Pacific by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: AZLiberty

Thank God somebody gets it.

To the rest of you: thanks for proving my point.

39 posted on 12/18/01 2:46 PM Pacific by CubicleGuy
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To: CubicleGuy

This, too, is just in keeping with the invaluable principles of democracy

I don't want this site to be about democracy. This site is about a FREE REPUBLIC. Go to hell Anti-War liberal dirtbag hippie scum.

40 posted on 12/18/01 2:47 PM Pacific by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: sinkspur

Your lame attempt at an analogy falls flat.

If that post was not dripping with irony, I will eat my keyboard. Mr. Sink, I believe you have been had.

41 posted on 12/18/01 2:47 PM Pacific by don-o
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To: CubicleGuy

CubicleGuy, ask your boss for a window seat. You need some fresh air. Rush Limbaugh spoke at Humboldt State in the late 80s on one of his two "Rush to Excellence" tour of the North Coast and the socialist professors and agitators went nuts. The show went on any way to a packed house. I am quite proud to have been one of the Sponsors of his two appearances here. Now the tide is turning and it is about time. Jim Robinson can do any thing he wants here. It's his site.

42 posted on 12/18/01 2:48 PM Pacific by tubebender
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To: AZLiberty

Makes me wonder if some posters think "irony" means your clothes look smoothed out

43 posted on 12/18/01 2:49 PM Pacific by Freeper john
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To: fightforfreedom

Who cares?

44 posted on 12/18/01 2:50 PM Pacific by one_particular_harbour
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To: codeword

What does this say about the average IQ around here?

It ain't complementary, that's for sure.

45 posted on 12/18/01 2:51 PM Pacific by CubicleGuy
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To: Libertarian_4_eva

My comment was directed to those ho said the liberals shout and hoot our speakers so it's okay to shout theirs.

I do believe the views she espoused are liberal and the fact that she is a big deal at the bee further supports that contention.

As for why people were hooting, I support the stand and turn the back silently method.

46 posted on 12/18/01 2:51 PM Pacific by breakem
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To: VRWCmember

Duration at FR: 0 days

Of course.

But don't kid yourselves that you are proponents of freedom and defenders of the U.S. constitution.

You don't represent America and God is not on your side if you are against freedom of speech and the right to protest against those whom govern.

Such individuals are authoritarian and more characteristic of the types whom are appreciated in the Communist East.

Many of you would simply like everyone here to tout the Party Line.

That's most sad...

I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death. - Patrick Henry

47 posted on 12/18/01 2:52 PM Pacific by fightforfreedom
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To: tet68

I agree, but no excuse to act like them. I prefer the silent stand and turn technique.

48 posted on 12/18/01 2:52 PM Pacific by breakem
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To: one_particular_harbour

Who cares?

God. And believe me....He's watching...

49 posted on 12/18/01 2:53 PM Pacific by fightforfreedom
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To: breakem

liberals are bad when they shout conservatives down, so we should shout them down in return. I read the other threads and it seems we easily justify acting like liberals.

There is a difference. Liberals have their little brown shirt groups which plan the disruption of conservative speech at colleges across the nation. This was a spontaneous outpouring by students, many of whom, I suspect, would not even describe themselves as conservatives. I not advocate the right create groups such as the Mumia crowd to shout people down. But I don't have a problem with an audience turning on a speaker.

50 posted on 12/18/01 2:54 PM Pacific by LarryLied
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